tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post7262081981351832015..comments2024-03-01T03:51:38.081-05:00Comments on Allergic to Bull: On Romney’s Mormonism and Religious ToleranceA.W.http://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-53986109008976333182012-06-10T12:36:03.380-04:002012-06-10T12:36:03.380-04:00Aaron's argument isn't a strawman, but Alv...Aaron's argument isn't a strawman, but Alvin, yours is. Aaron's argument is about the astounding hypocrisy of the political left, and it is indeed valid.Stogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05852841950131130696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-49292970966826487612012-06-10T07:43:34.614-04:002012-06-10T07:43:34.614-04:00Straight on double-plus right, sir...
Many (most...Straight on double-plus right, sir... <br /><br />Many (most?) religions preach and teach that theirs is the one true path to all good things (however they define that), and many go further and say that those who don't follow their particular path will never get there... While it's possible for such beliefs to lead to bigotry--especially when governments or other institutions of power (including certain religious institutions themselves, ironically) get involved--the beliefs themselves are not bigoted.<br /><br />I have this hippie dippy book called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Das-Energi-Paul-Williams/dp/0934558000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1339326027&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Das Energi, by Paul Williams</a> (whattaya want, I'm a lib) that talks about the ability to discriminate as being key to the ability to see and perceive, and suggests that we draw our lines between people with disappearing ink. See the differences between people (be they religious, political, ethnic/heritage, ...), sure, but don't take them beyond the situations where they actually matter.<br /><br />There comes a point where it has to be ok for other people to be <b>completely wrong</b> about something--because they're not the same religion or denomination as you, or vote for candidates in the <i>other</i> party, or like mushrooms on their pizza--and still treat them as fellow citizens and worthwhile human beings deserving of respect.<br /><br />(On that other thing... You was robbed and wronged, and I hope you get your rights back very soon. While I have issues with the partisan bent and allegations of collective guilt that some in your corner are trying to put on the thing, I unequivocally support free speech for all, even folks I probably don't much agree with... The best (and only) answer for speech you don't like or agree with is lots more speech... 'nuff said.)repsac3https://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-44535309012320491522012-06-08T09:47:20.139-04:002012-06-08T09:47:20.139-04:00At elected positions less than the presidency Morm...At elected positions less than the presidency Mormonism generally gets a pass. At the presidential level it doesn't. It's as simple as that.<br /><br />Obama certainly didn't get a pass on religion. Going to the same church for decades was widely viewed as some sort of calculated and devious plot and some decried, "He's a Muslim."<br /><br />By the way, welcome to the United States. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-85748858809302148602012-06-06T10:38:36.132-04:002012-06-06T10:38:36.132-04:00i don't beleive aaron posited a strawman.i don't beleive aaron posited a strawman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-73300013790749337662012-06-05T21:52:59.349-04:002012-06-05T21:52:59.349-04:00eh, sorry for being so long in releasing these com...eh, sorry for being so long in releasing these comments. Right now if I let someone say one bad word on this site, i could theoretically be arrested, hence the moderation. I hate it as i am sure you do, too.<br /><br />These are all good comments, even if you disagree with me, and thank you for that.<br /><br />Btw, feel free to nudge me on twitter or by email if i have left a comment in limbo too long.A.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10876021589516844048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-28102320071627434072012-06-05T08:26:47.229-04:002012-06-05T08:26:47.229-04:00The way I think about tolerance is to stop and thi...The way I think about tolerance is to stop and think about my beliefs; then I wonder, "What must people think if I told them this is what I think is true?" A lot probably think I'm wrong; but being wrong on some things doesn't make someone bad. Just like being right doesn't necessarily make someone good. It's a decent perspective to remember and enforce in one's thinking.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-60718709005956522162012-06-04T14:03:29.724-04:002012-06-04T14:03:29.724-04:00You asked: "Anyone notice that libs hardly ev...You asked: "Anyone notice that libs hardly ever put down Mormonism when Harry Reid was the most prominent Mormon in politics?"<br /><br />Well, anyone notice that presidential candidates are scrutinized/vetted way, way, way far broader and deeper than those running for lesser offices, such as members of Congress?<br /><br />Next time you set up a strawman, try using straw with enough structural integrity that it actually will stand up for you to knock it down.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09036592049693515022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-35093455969355453112012-06-04T08:33:40.508-04:002012-06-04T08:33:40.508-04:00So how wrong must a religion or ideology be to rej...So how wrong must a religion or ideology be to reject the friendship of someone who fully believes in it?ErisGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09383064735664269791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-80846338575673812652012-06-04T08:27:10.012-04:002012-06-04T08:27:10.012-04:00Way to go!.. When the going gets tough in politica...Way to go!.. When the going gets tough in political blogging, then take up religion. Way to get back on the horse. I was thinking you'd start easy, with say the view from the kitchen window or your opinion of the(non-climate change)weather. <br /><br />What a great read, you've put into words some things I have been thinking about for years. <br /><br />I personally hate the word tolerance. As you lawyers would say it assumes facts that are not in evidence. In order to be "tolerant" one must presume that their is some underlying derision to begin with. The mere fact of noticing differences, acknowledging that you have a different opinion/belief is not necessarily underlying derision. Ergo there is no need to "tolerate" unless there was "hate" in the first place. <br /><br />I much prefer the "content of character" model. <br /><br />Thanks again Aaron.. keep up the good work. Got me thinking for the morning.mom knows besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870366794747012429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-39582456373562429442012-06-04T01:20:38.939-04:002012-06-04T01:20:38.939-04:00Ten Facts About Mormon History and Theology that Y...Ten Facts About Mormon History and Theology that You will Never Hear from ice holes.<br />1. 1833 - Joseph Smith receives a revelation that would become section 101 of Doctrine & Covenants. Verse 79 states "Therefore it is not right that one man should be in bondage to another."<br />2. 1838 - Mormons are expelled from Missouri under threat of extermination (Executive Order 44). A petition against them says nothing about polygamy but complains that Mormons invited "free negroes and mulattos" to join them in Missouri.<br />3. 1844 - Joseph Smith runs for president with a plan to free all slaves by 1850. He is murdered 4 months later.<br />4. 1869 - Utah gives women the vote. Up to this time only Wyoming has female suffrage.<br />5. 1887 - The federal government takes the vote away from Utah women (Edmunds-Tucker Act).<br />6. 1978 – The governor of Missouri, Kitt Bond, formally rescinds and apologizes for executive Order 44.<br />7. 1995 - The location of NHM is discovered in Yemen less than one degree from due west of an uninhabited oasis now called Khor Karfet that meets the description provided in the Book of Mormon.<br />8. 1996 - Genetic research reveals that when using an observed mutation rate of 2.1/1000 (Weber & Wong), most American Indians are descended from a guy who lived in 151 BC (Underhill 1996)<br />9. 2004 - Genetic research reveals that 15% of Yemenite Jewish males have Y-chromosomes belonging to a subclade of a lineage group now called Q1a3. (Shen 2004) Most Native Americans belong to a subclade of Q1a3.<br />10. 2007 - Genetic research by Ugo Perego fails to find a single descendant of Joseph Smith through any woman other than Emma Smith. Emma had always declared that Joseph had no other wife than her.Doug Forbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12672434922650800374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8044318176622758692.post-12358086992426059052012-06-03T21:25:02.317-04:002012-06-03T21:25:02.317-04:00You're back!
I was worried we wouldn't ...You're back!<br /><br /> I was worried we wouldn't hear from you until November. How are you holding up? Let me say as one of your token liberal readers that what happened to you sucks, and should be covered more widely then it is where's Rev Al when people other then TM are getting there Civil Rights violated? <br /> By the way you're right on all counts, I think most liberals are just scared Obama will loose in November. Looks like the entire party just got blown off the moral high ground.scrappydew42https://www.blogger.com/profile/02831125492624929004noreply@blogger.com