BREAKING: Kimberlin Associate Liberal Grouch Tries to Threaten Patterico’s Job

This is the latest post in what I half-jokingly call The Kimberlin Saga^®.  If you are new to the story, that’s okay! Not everyone reads my blog.  The short version is that Kimberlin has been harassing me since last December, his worst conduct being when he attempted to frame me for a crime.  I recognize that this might sound like an incredible claim, but I provide video and documentary evidence of that fact; in other words, you don’t have to believe my word.  You only have to believe your eyes.  So, if you are new to the story, go to this page and you’ll be able to catch up on what has been happening.

Ever since I called the Liberal Grouch (LG) on his vile conduct (see here, here and here) he has been doing his level best to perform brass-knuckle reputation management, beating his chest, claiming somehow that accurately quoting him and then expressing the opinion that his words amount to a threat, is libel.  And now he is trying to threaten the employment of Patrick “Patterico” Frey for supposedly lying about him.  More Kimberlin-style thuggery from one of his associates.

But I have long made a sardonic observation about my life: I have been blessed with stupid adversaries.

You see what LG is complaining about is not only not libelous, but LG has actually said it was not libel.

But let me back up for a moment and fill in some of the holes.  First, yesterday I wrote that LG had threatened Lee Stranahan with rape and that I suspected that this was why Lee was abandoning his home in Texas.  He does have an infant son, after all.  When he whined about my piece, I added the following update to my post:

Update (II): Once again, Liberal Grouch doesn’t like being called on his own language.  Here’s what I considered a rape threat:

But maybe it would be nice for a pro-rape* asshole such as yourself to understand the fear a woman faces at the concept of rape.

How many men do you figure it would take to hold you down, Stranny.

I bet one could do it.

As I wrote the other day when Occupyrebellion was making threats against Lee:

Threats don’t have to be “I plan to do X to you” or “do this or I will do X.”  For instance, in Virginia v. Black, the Supreme Court held that merely burning a cross on another person’s yard can be interpreted as a threat, given the historical meaning of the act.  Twelve people of common sense can recognize that even if the magic words are not said, some words are intended as a threat.  In other words, the law is not an idiot.

I think certainly speculating about how easy it would be to rape a person qualifies as a threat.  That’s my opinion, my conclusion based on the facts which I cited.  And just because there is cause to think LG himself can't carry it out, doesn't make it less of a threat. It just suggests he would have to recruit someone else to do it. And indeed Lee was concerned enough about this and other threatening conduct to abandon his home.

Now you can agree with that, disagree with that, or whatever, but it doesn’t change the fact that 1) he said those words (as he acknowledged in an email) and 2) I have the constitutional right to form the opinion that this is a threat, and to express my opinion that it is such.  Indeed just the other day he not only acknowledged writing it, but also acknowledged deleting the post because he thought better of it, writing in an email:

Seventh.  I deleted the post because I thought better of it after I cooled down.  I knew some dickhead would likely misconstrue it, much in the same way as you right wingers lie about everything else.  The fact that you have a screen cap of it is happenstance.

So he admitted to deleting the post because he knew we would interpret it as... pretty much what we interpreted it as.  But it’s not his fault for writing it that way.  Heck no!  It is our fault for interpreting it that way!

But then he wrote a post where he claimed that this amounts to libel by comparing it to what Patrick wrote and saying, while Patrick didn’t commit libel, I supposedly did, writing at his blog (no linky for the fascist):

Frey saves himself from crossing the libel line by paraphrasing the part of the statement that takes it from being a threat to just being a crude remark:

Then he added that nobody would actually do that...

So you got that?  My post was supposedly out of context, but Patrick’s was just fine!

Of course, this is what his kind always does when caught red-handed behaving badly: pretend there is some magical context that makes it okay.  And let’s actually see the context that he claims saves himself:

Better idea, Stranny.  How about we find out where you are staying and rape YOU?  Of course, no one would actually DO that, for fear of getting genital warts from your filthy, unwashed, unwiped ass.  But maybe it would be nice for a pro-rape asshole such as yourself to understand the fear a woman faces at the concept of rape.

How many men do you figure it would take to hold you down, Stranny.

I bet one could do it.

So he thinks a childish and indeed fanciful (and libelous, by the way) joke that no one would rape Stranahan for fear of VD dispels any belief that this was a threat?  Well, I don’t.

But the upshot here is that he absolved Patrick of any libel in that post.  And just to remind you, a libel is defined in relevant part as a falsehood in writing.  In other words, a lie.  So he was saying Patrick didn’t lie about him, but supposedly I did (even though I didn’t).

But despite that fact, today he wrote a post (no linky!), that he has decided that Patrick is lying about him, starting off with his usual disability minstrel show:

Why in the world would an LA County Assistant District Attorney use his personal blog to spread lies about a disabled Navy vet, a retired public servant with Parkinson’s disease, who merely told the truth in exposing what seems to be an elaborate scheme by certain right wing elements to grab money from other conservatives to use for unknown purposes?

(Emphasis added.)  Of course previously LG told me in an email how he would be trying to use his disease to manipulate a jury into sympathy.  As a disabled person, I have every sympathy for his human suffering, and every bit of contempt when he tries to use it as a shield to protect his vile behavior that is unrelated to his disability.

But what’s the deal with this blog of his?  Patterico’s Pontifications?  I have no problem with a public servant being a right winger.  No more than I would have problems with a public servant being a progressive.

But a liar?

Well, isn’t taking pieces of what someone wrote out of context, twisting the words to fit the preconceived notion you care to portray while ignoring the exculpatory words in the same paragraph a lie?

If you read this entry, you see it’s packed with provable lies.

Follow the link to see the post where he claims Patrick took him out of context.  He is talking about the very same post by Patrick that he previously stated was not libelous.  So when attacking me, he claims that Patrick inserted just enough context to avoid libeling him.  But when attacking Patrick, he suddenly decides that he is taking him out of context just enough to be lying.  And then he makes the threat on Patrick’s employment:

Well, I guess I am going to have to drop a line to LA County District Attorney Steve Cooley to see what he thinks about all of this.

Mr. Cooley would be Patrick’s boss.  Well, given that his prior post admitted that Patrick had not uttered a falsehood, this is a declaration of intent to lie to Patrick’s employer, to defame Patrick.  And since his purpose is to get the man fired or otherwise to harm his career, that becomes tortuous interference with business relations, too.  LG keeps saying he is going to “lawyer up.”  Then let me suggest he talks to that lawyer before he makes the call.  He or she might think this is a bad idea.

In fact, I strongly suggest LG talk to a lawyer before he writes another word.  Even the title of his post in which he claimed I libeled him itself was libelous asserting that I am a “former lawyer.”  I am still a lawyer, in good standing in the only two jurisdictions I have ever been admitted to.  So that would be LG libeling me, again.

And as for my claim that he is associated with Brett Kimberlin, they are friends on Facebook.  Check for yourself and see!

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* As I said yesterday, in their Orwellian thinking, because Lee made a statement denouncing Occupy rapes, he is somehow in their logic “pro-rape.”

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My wife and I have lost our jobs due to the harassment of convicted terrorist Brett Kimberlin, including an attempt to get us killed and to frame me for a crime carrying a sentence of up to ten years.  I know that claim sounds fantastic, but if you read starting here, you will see absolute proof of these claims using documentary and video evidence.  If you would like to help in the fight to hold Mr. Kimberlin accountable, please hit the Blogger’s Defense Team button on the right.  And thank you.

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Disclaimer:

I have accused some people, particularly Brett Kimberlin, of reprehensible conduct.  In some cases, the conduct is even criminal.  In all cases, the only justice I want is through the appropriate legal process—such as the criminal justice system.  I do not want to see vigilante violence against any person or any threat of such violence.  This kind of conduct is not only morally wrong, but it is counter-productive.

In the particular case of Brett Kimberlin, I do not want you to even contact him.  Do not call him.  Do not write him a letter.  Do not write him an email.  Do not text-message him.  Do not engage in any kind of directed communication.  I say this in part because under Maryland law, that can quickly become harassment and I don’t want that to happen to him.

And for that matter, don’t go on his property.  Don’t sneak around and try to photograph him.  Frankly try not to even be within his field of vision.  Your behavior could quickly cross the line into harassment in that way too (not to mention trespass and other concerns).

And do not contact his organizations, either.  And most of all, leave his family alone.

The only exception to all that is that if you are reporting on this, there is of course nothing wrong with contacting him for things like his official response to any stories you might report.  And even then if he tells you to stop contacting him, obey that request.  That this is a key element in making out a harassment claim under Maryland law—that a person asks you to stop and you refuse.

And let me say something else.  In my heart of hearts, I don’t believe that any person supporting me has done any of the above.  But if any of you have, stop it, and if you haven’t don’t start.