Update: Oh my... @StanCohenLaw is talking about me. See below.
You might remember Mona
Eltahawy. She is the Egyptian American feminist
activist who has decided to spray paint over the horrible hate speech of Pamela
Geller and the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI). To back track a little bit, Geller et al wanted to put up the following poster in various spots in the New
York subway system (after paying the appropriate fee to rent the space) (right):
It says, in case you can’t read
it, “in any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized
man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.” The local officials refused to put that
poster up, claiming that somehow it was bigoted against all Muslims. I don’t get that. It seems to be saying little more than
support Israel against those waging “holy war” against it. Are all Muslims the enemies of Isreal? Not by a long shot. And certainly the term “savage” does not
denote all Muslims, or exclude other faiths.
There have been savages and civilized people of every faith tradition
imaginable. I don’t doubt that Pamela
Geller would agree with that.
Anyway, so Geller and the AFDI
had to go to court and win the right to speak freely in this forum. The state of New York claimed that this poster was
so likely to incite violence that they could exclude it. Folks, I don’t see it, and neither did the
courts. A federal court ruled that excluding Geller et al's poster violated their First Amendment rights and commanded state authorities to allow it to be posted. You can read about that decision
and much of this background, here.
So the posters went up, but the
forces opposed to free speech were not done yet. Numerous ordinary citizens, and journalist
and MSNBC contributor Mona Eltahawy decided to take private action to stop this
scary, scary poster. Many of them put
stickers over it and tore down such posters.
But Eltahawy chose to spray paint over it.
But apparently the AFDI and assorted allies including Pam Hall and the
New York Post had advance warning, and they went with a video camera to the
same poster that Ms. Eltahawy wanted to paint, resulting in this scene.
Watching it again, I think the
first time she asked the cop why he was arresting her I saw him chuckle a
little. Really, her sense of entitlement
is nothing less than galling.
And this is the same idiocy (meaning
Ms. Eltahawy’s idiocy) from Ms. Hall’s camera:
To me what offended me the most
was how this attempt to suppress another person’s speech was justified as
supposedly free speech. Let me put it
simply. Freedom of expression gives you
the right to purchase and burn an American flag. It doesn’t give you the right to steal
another person’s flag and burn it. Your
right to speak is correctly trumped by my right to my property—rented or
owned. And that consideration is even more compelling when my property is being used to express myself, because then your expression
has the effect of silencing my expression.
If you burn my flag, I can no longer wave it.
The correct answer to speech we
don’t like isn’t suppression—by government action or by private conduct. The correct answer to speech we don’t like is
more speech showing why the other speech is wrong. And it isn’t because we
like every single thing done that is covered by free speech, but because we
don’t trust anyone with the authority to decide what is and is not protected.
So anyway, I saw that the
New York District Attorney was subpoenaing her tweets and that eventually led
me to discuss the matter with her attorney, Stanley Cohen. Mr. Cohen is a private attorney who has taken on the case pro-bono, as I understand it. Honestly, I didn’t think he would discuss the
case so openly with me, but I was happily proven wrong.
We started talking about the
issue of the twitter subpoena. His
position was that some of her direct messages were to confidential
sources. Given that Ms. Eltahawy did a
lot of apparently good reporting from the Egyptian revolution, it seems
reasonable to think that a few of her twitter friends might actually have their
lives endangered if the text of those direct messages became known. So that might fly. You can find the tweets covering this topic, but
I won’t reproduce them here because they aren’t very interesting.
But then we got into the meat of
her coming defense.
btw let me ask you, your client is not disputing she actually spray-painted that poster and that woman, right? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
His reply:
@aaronworthing Concedes the sign denies intent as to woman who jumped into the paint.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
So that seems to be that he is
admitting that she intentionally painted the sign. Which he kind of has to, because you saw that
video, too. But he was denying any
intent to paint Pamela Hall. Which, by
the way, is just plain bogus. She may
have wished that Hall had moved, but when she didn’t, she chose to spray anyway
and let Ms. Hall be hit in the process. That
is intentionally spraying the woman. Indeed,
when the cops arrived, she seemed to think they would tell Ms. Hall to step
aside.
So I asked for a little more:
And she is claiming civil disobedience as justification, yes? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
His reply:
@aaronworthing In NYS, defense of necessity.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
Ah, necessity. It is sort of a cousin to self-defense,
indeed it is often merged with it. This
is what the New York Penal Code §35.05(2) says
on the subject:
conduct which
would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal when...
Such conduct is necessary as an emergency measure to avoid an imminent public
or private injury which is about to occur by reason of a situation occasioned
or developed through no fault of the actor, and which is of such gravity that,
according to ordinary standards of intelligence and morality, the desirability
and urgency of avoiding such injury clearly outweigh the desirability of
avoiding the injury sought to be prevented by the statute defining the offense
in issue. The necessity and
justifiability of such conduct may not rest upon considerations pertaining only
to the morality and advisability of the statute, either in its general
application or with respect to its application to a particular class of cases
arising thereunder.
Whenever
evidence relating to the defense of justification under this subdivision is
offered by the defendant, the court shall rule as a matter of law whether the
claimed facts and circumstances would, if established, constitute a defense.
That’s a lot to jumble through
but the key language is that the action has to be “necessary as an emergency
measure to avoid an imminent public or private injury which is about to
occur.” The thing to get about the law
of necessity or self-defense is that it is designed to fill in those moments
when seconds count but the police are minutes away, as the cliché goes. In other words, a guy is breaking into your
home, the cops have been called, but you have to survive until they get there. It has to be so immediate you cannot afford
to wait for the police to stop the criminal.
So what imminent public or
private injury was Ms. Eltahawy trying to avoid? The poster wasn’t about to fall down and hurt
a person. I pressed Mr. Cohen on this
question:
I mean this is the statute on necessity, right? ypdcrime.com/penal.law/arti… it doesn't seem to apply. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
You can see he expanded a little
more on his necessity defense and I replied:
Yeah, what harm? someone might say something she doesn't agree with? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
He gave an answer:
@aaronworthing Few months later some one threw a South East Indian to their death on subway cause thought Muslim.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
Folks, do I have to explain this
to you? The fear that someone might do
something bad “a few months later” doesn’t qualify as an imminent threat. An imminent threat isn’t “I think someday
this person might hurt another.” It is
“the guy is here, I (reasonably) think he has a gun and I (reasonably) think he is about to kill someone” or otherwise
presents an immediate threat that cannot be addressed by simply waiting for the
cops to arrive. So I pressed him on
this:
Yeah, but the statute says "to avoid an imminent public or private injury which is about to occur" pretending that (cont) @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
(cont) the poster was responsible, how is that imminent? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
And regular readers know that I
really do not think a poster is responsible for it. Give me a break. But I wanted to keep the conversation going.
Another thing to pay attention
to, here, after all is that second paragraph in the statute quoted above. The upshot is that before you present a
defense of necessity, a judge has to decide that you have presented sufficient
evidence to allow you to present it. Cohen has
to make a showing that this was necessary to avoid an imminent injury and so
on. And I don’t see how any judge could
see how this defense of necessity is raised by the evidence we know of.
But he truly gave his game away,
here:
@aaronworthing Judges suggest its simply jury nullification. Not a "permissible" appeal to a jury. Common law, to avoid a greater harm.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
This will get more explicit as we
go along, but what he is saying is he is trying to get the jury to refuse to follow the law because they don't like the speech. This is jury nullification. And it has a decidedly checkered
history.
On one hand, one can recall the
famous Zenger trial, which I mentioned previously, here. This was before the American Revolution and
Zenger was a newspaper man charged with seditious libel for having printed ugly
things about the governor of New York.
Jury nullification kept him out of prison. It can rightfully be said that in that case
jury nullification defended freedom of expression.
It also was used to suppress
it. On June 12, 1963, Medger Evers was
shot to death. Mr. Evers was an African
American civil rights leader and a racist Klan type named Byron De La Beckwith
shot him dead in retaliation for his speech and because he generally hated black
people. Mr. Evers’ voice was silenced,
but society could have demonstrated that such conduct would not be tolerated by
convicting Beckwith. Beckwith was tried
twice in the 60's in Mississippi by all white juries and they resulted in a mistrial by a
hung jury despite overwhelming evidence of Beckwith’s guilt. For the jurors who refused to convict, this was jury nullification. Finally in
1994 they were able to convict him and he died in prison about six years later.
Freedom of expression cannot long
survive in a lawless society. If one man
can kill another because he doesn’t like what that person was saying and get
away with it, because the community
doesn’t like what the victim was saying either, then we endanger free
speech itself. After all, they might
kill or terrify every other person who might stand up in Evers’ place.
And hidden in those dueling
examples is the fact that there really are two doctrines of jury
nullification. The first is very modest
and mainstream. It is the assertion that
the jury is the final decision-maker on what the law is.
The Zenger trial represents that
principle in action. At the time the
common law was such that any time libel was asserted—be it “seditious” or
not—truth was a defense. It was the
standard way courts read such statutes.
But in that case, the court decided that truth was not a defense, that
essentially saying anything bad about the Governor was criminal. So Zenger’s defense attorneys were not
allowed to put on a defense of his statements being true. In their closing statement, they implored the
jury to find that the law allowed for truth as a defense and since they were
not allowed to put on a defense that it was true, that they must acquit.
By comparison, even back in the
1960’s it was illegal for a white man to murder a black man in
Mississippi. There was no question of
the law. There was no question of the
facts. The members of the all-white jury who refused to convict had let Beckwith
go free for all those years because they didn’t like black people and
especially didn’t like people who advocated for equal rights for black
people. And the only thing that changed
in 1994 when Beckwith was finally convicted was that those racist and
anti-speech attitudes had changed.
This illustrates the second
breed of jury nullification: when it is obvious that what was done was illegal,
but they want you to let them get away with it anyway. The first is about respecting the law,
possibly in the face of a judge who doesn’t respect the law. The second is about ignoring the law and
bringing in your subjective concept of justice, which can be extremely unjust.
And as it was becoming clear in
my conversation, Cohen was talking about the latter theory of jury nullification. Consider, for instance, this comment:
@aaronworthing Defense of necessity necessarily creates personal choice issues. Destruction of nuclear war heads, trespass at plants etc.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
And there are cases where people
have trespassed at nuclear power plants and chained themselves in front of the
entrance in order to prevent the plant’s operations, and those people then 1)
screamed like banshees when the cops dragged them away and 2) argued for jury
nullification when they were tried for trespass. At least they didn’t act surprised they were
being taken away. I imagine similar
things have happened in regard to nuclear weapons and it’s a similar
principle. I do not know if such jury
nullification was successful in those cases.
I tried to show him the danger of
this approach:
But the practical effect of this defense, if accepted, is to allow unpopular viewpoints to be suppressed by vandalism. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
I mean this precedent could be used tomorrow against pro-islam posters. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
If words are considered dangerous enough that it justifies vandalism to suppress... some say the Koran is dangerous...@stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
Indeed, this was a point I made
in a post entitled The
Danger of Hate Speech Laws... to Islam.
In that post, I showed how several passages from the Koran would likely
be seen as “hate speech” and then I said this:
The point of that exercise isn’t therefore to condemn Islam or the
Koran as hate speech, but instead to show how easily it could be done, so I can show the danger in a legal regime that allows for the
banning of so-called “hate speech.” In other words, American Muslims
should oppose hate speech laws if only because they might find their own
religion banned under the same laws.
Of course in that context I was talking about official censorship, and not censorship by mob, but the principle is the same.
And indeed her approach is even more short sighted than that. You see, in summer of 2012, Ms. Eltahawy wrote
a very good article attacking how women were treated in the Islamic world,
called Why
Do They Hate Us? She makes the point
that for all the talk about a supposed "War on Women" in America, the real misogyny was in the Islamic world.
And of course she was denounced
for this. According to a too-glowing Village
Voice piece:
Many academics found
Eltahawy's article frustrating. "I was completely outraged when it came
out," says Ellen McLarney, a professor of Middle Eastern studies at Duke.
"It was a blanket condemnation of Arab and Muslim men as being
across-the-board misogynistic and patriarchal and oppressive to women in a way
that was not contextualized at all. It pandered to western views of Arabs and
Muslims that have a dark colonial history."
Leila Ahmed, a
Harvard Divinity School professor whom Eltahawy calls a personal hero, wrote in
a reaction piece for Foreign Policy that she "found almost every paragraph
of Eltahawy's essay . . . troubling as, again and again, broad brushstrokes and
sweeping generalizations erased subtle nuances and garbled and swept aside
important differences." Speaking to the Voice about Eltahawy, Ahmed says it
is too simple to simply blame the oppression of women on Islam. "There is
a whole variety of women working on this issue in Egypt and in the Arab world,
and many of them are deeply religious," says Ahmed, adding that she
worries Eltahawy's piece "implies that Arab women need the West to come
and rescue them. It's as if only we here in the West can understand these
issues, whereas over there they don't."
They were being gentle, but what a
lot of people would say is that this article is hate speech. Indeed, let us recall that Theo Van Gogh made a movie on a similar theme and was murdered for it. Thus again, a
deeper person would have seen the danger presented by any regime where “hate
speech” is suppressed, by government edict or just by mob action. But if she is troubled by the implications of
her arguments, she sure isn’t showing it.
So I went on, 140 characters at a
time:
After the attack in Boston, and 9-11, that doctrine could be used to justify taking people's korans and burning them. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
Which led to this response.
@aaronworthing Or majoritarian values to be challenged. Cuts both ways. Actions at family planning have received the instruction.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
Now the first part of that is
nonsense. In a regime where unwelcome
speech can be suppressed by vandalism, the minority voice is not going to be helped. It’s just that simple. Later on, he argued that the Torah might be
seen as hate speech but I made a simple point in response:
Right. but no american jury will allow for the defacto banning of the bible. but it might happen to the koran. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
The Torah, the first five books
of what we Christians call The Old Testament, is part of the Christian
bible. So it is difficult to call the
Torah hate speech without calling the Christian bible hate speech. And as a practical matter, we Christians
dominate this country. Eight out of ten
Americans are Christian. There is no way
in hell you can convince such people to allow for suppression of the Christian
Bible. It’s just not going to
happen. But it could happen to the
Koran.
Let me lay out how it could
happen. A nuclear blast hits New York
City, and Islamofascist terrorists take responsibility for this. And in the wake of this horror, a large number of Americans conclude that Islam is
inherently evil and that this religion must be suppressed. Soon vandals are charging into mosques
burning the Koran or perhaps doing worse.
And then juries let them get away with it, because they agree that the Koran
is evil. Maybe not all of them feel this
way, but you only need one person to hang a jury and make conviction
impossible. That is all Beckwith needed.
When I was on trial for a crime I
did not commit—indeed
one I was being framed for—I made it clear to my attorney that even though
I had learning disabilities, he was forbidden from making any defense based on
reduced capacity and the like. I did not
want my defense to hurt the standing of any other disabled person. Maybe Cohen thinks this defense is a good
idea, but I am surprised that Ms. Eltahawy would allow such an anti-free-speech
defense to be put forward, if only because she might find her own speech being
suppressed next. But then I watch that
video and watch her smug sense of entitlement—she did not even understand she
did something you normally get arrested for—and it becomes less surprising by
the moment. This is a woman who of very
little depth.
But let’s look at that tweet
again:
@aaronworthing Or majoritarian values to be challenged. Cuts both ways. Actions at family planning have received the instruction.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
What the bit about “family
planning” was almost certainly referring to was cases involving abortion
clinics. Now sometimes this was
equivalent to the nuclear protests. They
trespass, they block the entrances, they peacefully try to lay their bodies in
between the pregnant women and the clinics so as to save what they saw as a
human life inside. I don’t support this
action, but at least we are in the ambit of typical civil disobedience where
you feel the law allows people to do things that are unjust, or they prevent
you from doing something you feel is just (such as Dr. King wishing to protest
racism and not being allowed to get the permits because Bull Conner didn’t
agree with his message) and so you break the law.
But there are darker
examples. It
has also been argued that violence, even the murder of abortion doctors is
justified. Now, ordinarily, if a man
is about to murder a fully-born baby—as in, there is an imminent danger of the
murder—you are allowed to use lethal force to stop him. What you can do to defend your life, you can
do to defend someone else’s life. But
like it or not, abortion is legal in America and that means as a matter of law
the doctor is not about to kill anyone.
That is why it is wrong to kill an abortion doctor: because the rule of
law must prevail.
But there is another significant
difference, here:
Well they shouldn't have. but there is at least the distinction that the pro-lifers don't like what they are doing, (cont) @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
(cont) not what they are saying. This is the defense of necessity used to suppress protected speech. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
His response:
@aaronworthing Difference without a distinction.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
That is lawyer talk for: “the
difference is irrelevant.”
No, conduct v. speech is a really significant difference. you're talking about choking off the marketplace of ideas. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
And I tried, and tried, to make
him see the danger of his approach:
So if i steal a koran from a man and burn it arguing that it is a dangerous book, i can claim necessity? that's horrifying @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
His irrelevant response:
@aaronworthing No, two separate steps. 1) the theft and 2) the "criminal mischief. Here one alleged offense.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
And it truly is irrelevant. Necessity is available as a defense to any crime. So if necessity justifies the destruction of
“hate speech” it justifies the theft of it, for the purpose of destroying it.
It doesn't matter. why would necessity be sufficient for graffitti, but not theft and disposal? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
in each case it is normally unlawful action justified because the speech is allegedly dangerous. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
@aaronworthing Two Separate acts.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
Which is irrelevant. And then this weird response:
@aaronworthing How about a sign that said Jews control the world w/ a huge oven that said less Jews less problems?
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
yes, it is protected speech and you may not vandalize it. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
He did that a lot, imagining
different horrible messages that might be on a poster, as if I cared what the
message was. Why was the concept of
viewpoint-neutrality so difficult for him to wrap his head around?
In any case, I told him flat out
that I thought this defense was improper and if I was a judge I wouldn’t allow
it.
@aaronworthing Get appointed to the bench. LOL. We both know that jury nullification is as old as a trial
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
And there more clearly than ever
he gave away his game. This is not about
civil disobedience, or necessity, but jury nullification. And not the kind where you merely say that
the jury had a right to decide what the law was, but where you said the law
should be disregarded. He wanted them to
decide she should get away with it, because they don’t like the speech
involved.
I took him to task.
And you also know that jury nullification has been used justly and unjustly. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
For every Zenger trial, there was a Medgar Evers trial where racists refused 2 enforce the law to the murder of a black man @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
Using jury nullification to limit freedom of speech seems self-evidently unjust. @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
i mean how far does that go? can your client hack Geller's blog and destroy it because she disagrees with it? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
Do you really want to create a situation where unpopular views can be suppressed by mob action? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
And for some reason that sent him
completely off the rails.
@aaronworthing Like in israel, where racists refuse to enforce the law and Palestinians are lynched by Zionists and women to the back of bus
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
Mmm, yes, the problem in Israel is
the racist murder of Palestinians by
Isrealis. Glad he has that
straight. (Note: I am being
sarcastic.) But I was trying to keep the
conversation going, so I ignored that point.
Well, if that's what you think of Isreal, why are you trying to import that lawlessness here? @stanleycohenlaw
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) May 1, 2013
I mean it is weird in one moment
to say you hate how Israel allegedly does this and then the next moment say, “hey,
let’s do that!”
And about then he decided he had
argued long enough, and blocked me. And
then said this afterward:
For once I welcomed Twitter jail. Neo con lawyer started out reasonable and lost it.
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
So says the guy who foamed at the
mouth regarding the imaged crimes of Israel, all while I insisted that a person
had a right to speak freely without having a crime committed against them. I know, I am radical this way.
But more importantly, he gave
away entirely too much. He told the
entire world that he planned to use a plainly bogus necessity defense as a way
to try to convince a jury to ignore the law and allow for the suppression of
speech his client doesn’t like.
Now one reasonable objection is
that this is just an attorney giving the best defense he or she can. Well, the actual classic phrase is from the
model rules of professional conduct for attorneys, which states in relevant
part that the lawyer should “zealously
... protect and pursue a client's legitimate interests, within the bounds of
the law[.]” And while the state
rules don’t use that exact phrase it states that a “lawyer shall not
intentionally... fail to seek the objectives of the client through reasonably
available means permitted by law and these Rules.” Which is not as direct or eloquent as the
first quote, but it is basically the same idea.
Work as hard as you can. This is
a command, not merely a suggestion. But
you cannot break the law or the rules of ethics.
And it is important to note that
the law also requires that the lawyer ensure that the legal theories are at
least plausible and reasonable. No competent
lawyer today could say that a state can legally ban all interracial marriage or
allow for slavery (except as a punishment for a crime, allowed in the
Thirteenth Amendment). Would he argue
that a white man had a right to shoot a black man who was sleeping with a white
woman on the theory that interracial sex harms society? Of course not. The argument has to have some plausibility
and I would argue that my hypothetical is just as fanciful as his theory that
Ms. Eltahawy was harmed my speech she didn’t like.
No lawyer can pretend this was
justified as necessary to prevent an imminent
harm to others with a straight face. Not
when the best example he could come up with was an alleged hate crime that
occurred months later, whose relationship to the poster is not established. I can understand that Cohen’s client doesn’t
have very many other options. But I will
remind you of a point that Ms. Eltahawy made herself.
In Nov, I turned down DA's no-jail plea: 2 days community service, $200 for MTA for pink on wall, $780 for woman who came btwn me & ad
— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) April 30, 2013
If I was her attorney... well... you
can’t force a client to take a plea bargain.
And compared to other lawyers I am probably unusually respectful of
their right to disagree with me. But I would
have told her in the strongest terms she would be nuts not to take the
deal. It was a gift and why she would
want to risk a few weeks in jail instead is beyond me. And considering the fact she has no rightful legal defense, that seemed self-evidently the best way to extricate herself
from this mess.
In any case, if the New York DA is watching
Ms. Eltahawy’s twitter, they are probably watching Mr. Cohen’s as well. And I don’t think he helped his client in
this exchange.
Update: I missed this but apparently he then decided to denounce me in
a series of tweets.
Sitting there minding my own business last night ranting and raving when the dread troll, mr. dread troll the attorney, no less, [1/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
decided to pay a visit. At first it seemed benign enough with a reasoned narrow approach to the issue. Mr. "neo-con" soon enough [2/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
went marching off, predictably, into a cosmic rave, Zionist driven at that, full of himself and his superior view of the universe. [3/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
At times there was a certain visceral appeal to his connection of the dots.Ultimately it fell flat on its face. As a trial [4/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
attorney with a client charged with a crime one does not represent any one but the client, not the class, the group, the universe or [5/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
in the case of the troll the Universe. Thus it matters not if the defense does damage to any one else, their views, their case or [6/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
the cosmos. One client, one defense, one case. On the other hand if the client tells you that he or she does not want to pursue a [7/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
given defense out of belief, politics or snickers bars thats THEIR choice. Class action litigation with a broad based common class [8/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
with common interests and goals is a different issue, very different from one person facing the awesome power of the state including [9/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
jail. So too the degree mr. troll, neocon, lawyer you are concerned that a successful defense for one person in one case might lead [10/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
the Martians to eat the cheese, all the cheese, good appetite. Oh, yes, Mr. neocon troll lawyer, some free advice, don't try [11/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
cases-----especially where someones liberty is at stake.[12/12]
— Stanley Cohen (@StanleyCohenLaw) May 1, 2013
So putting aside his bizarre
argument that I was supposedly “driven by Zionism” (no, I am driven by a love of
free speech), he is arguing that he has only a duty to the client and he must
provide the most zealous defense possible.
Yes, but once again it must be
within the bounds of the law. That means
that his defense of necessity must actually be suggested by the evidence and he
couldn’t make that case. A person being
harmed two months after the fact when causation is not established—indeed as a
matter of law, cannot be established—is not an imminent harm.
And incidentally all of those
arguments about the implications of his approach is precisely what any good
judge will say to him when hopefully his attempt to infect jury nullification
into the case is shut down. Indeed,
there is nothing more appropriate in law than the argument that this is
establishing a bad precedent.
And I will add that zealous advocacy
doesn’t mean that you advance any
argument however ridiculous. Maintaining
the respect of the judge is important, too.
He has certainly lost my respect.
And don’t even get me started
with his silly comment about cheese...
My wife and I have lost our jobs
due to the harassment of convicted terrorist Brett Kimberlin, including an
attempt to get us killed and to frame me for a crime carrying a sentence of up
to ten years. I know that claim sounds fantastic,
but if you read starting here, you will see absolute proof of these
claims using documentary and video evidence.
If you would like to help in the fight to hold Mr. Kimberlin
accountable, please hit the Blogger’s Defense Team button on the right. And thank you.
Follow me at Twitter @aaronworthing,
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And you can read a little more about my novel, here.
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Disclaimer:
I have accused some people,
particularly Brett Kimberlin, of
reprehensible conduct. In some cases, the conduct is even
criminal. In all cases, the only justice I want is through the
appropriate legal process—such as the criminal justice system. I do not want to see vigilante violence
against any person or any threat of such violence. This kind of conduct is not only morally
wrong, but it is counter-productive.
In the particular case of Brett
Kimberlin, I do not want you to even contact him. Do not call him. Do not write him a letter. Do not write him an email. Do not text-message him. Do not engage in any kind of directed
communication. I say this in part
because under Maryland law, that can quickly become harassment and I don’t want
that to happen to him.
And for that matter, don’t go on
his property. Don’t sneak around and try
to photograph him. Frankly try not to
even be within his field of vision. Your
behavior could quickly cross the line into harassment in that way too (not to
mention trespass and other concerns).
And do not contact his
organizations, either. And most of all, leave his family alone.
The only exception to all that is
that if you are reporting on this, there is of course nothing wrong with
contacting him for things like his official response to any stories you might
report. And even then if he tells you to
stop contacting him, obey that request. That
this is a key element in making out a harassment claim under Maryland law—that
a person asks you to stop and you refuse.
And let me say something
else. In my heart of hearts, I don’t
believe that any person supporting me has done any of the above. But if any of you have, stop it, and if you
haven’t don’t start.
"And incidentally all of those arguments about the implications of his approach is precisely what any good judge will say to him when hopefully his attempt to infect jury nullification into the case is shut down."
ReplyDeleteA good judge in my opinion is assuming a lot. When I experience and read about more judges doing right, then my opinion will change. Just remember what has happened to you.
> It seems to be saying little more than support Israel
ReplyDelete> against those waging “holy war” against it.
... Yes it does but those exalted liberal institutions don't teach logic... darn it Aaron I'm turning into a conservative and it's all your fault :☭