Aasif Mandvi had debated with me a
lot in the last twenty four hours, which I will speak more of in a moment and
he wrote this comment:
@pawnmower @rustypaladin @aaronworthing @monaeltahawy u r welcome mona. Talking to bigots and islamaphobes on twitter is my new pass time.
— aasif mandvi (@aasif) September 28, 2012
Which I am not sure is fair to
any of the people he directed that toward, but oh well. Anyway, Mona replied to him as follows:
@aasif @pawnmower @rustypaladin @aaronworthing You're a star in a million ways, Aasif!
— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) September 28, 2012
This would be the first time she
even mentioned me in a tweet. So I saw
an opening:
Btw, @monaeltahawy instead of letting @aasif fight your battles for you, why don't you debate me directly?
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) September 28, 2012
I have never threatened you, or called you any bigoted names. So why not debate me? @monaeltahawy @aasif
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) September 28, 2012
And I admit I didn’t see this
response until I was working on this post but she wrote:
@aaronworthing @aasif That's why I haven't blocked u.Ur free to say/debate what u like Aaron. I've made my point. Working on other things
— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) September 28, 2012
And I tried pointing out that we
had common ground, after all.
I mean @monaeltahawy i have even gone to jail for my principles, too, so we have that in common. So debate me. @aasif
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) September 28, 2012
Of course our cases are a little
different. She intentionally broke the
law and has since been calling it civil disobedience. By comparison, I broke no law, but I incurred
the wrath of a man, Brett Kimberlin, who was willing to file false charges
against me in retaliation for my having exercised my right to free speech. But I didn’t go into those details, and in
any case, there was a break in the dam:
@aaronworthing @aasif Good for you, Aaron. I don't debate on Twitter.Meet me in NYC and I'll happily debate you in more than 140 characters
— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) September 28, 2012
How about if I got a radio show to do it. Would you agree to that? @monaeltahawy @aasif
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) September 28, 2012
Now Mr. Mandvi thought I was
crazy, probably having no idea who I was or my background (not surprising, really) so I pointed out to him that I have been on several radio shows and I even
suggested a specific program on which we could do it:
hey, @badmesmer, do you think we could have @aasif and/or @monaeltahawy on the show to debate freedom of speech v. vandalism if they agree?
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) September 28, 2012
You see I am going to be on the
Own the Narrative Network this Monday, starting at 11 pm Eastern time (usually
ending at midnight). You can listen on
Skye by using “OTNNetwork” as the call in number, or you can call in
832-699-0499. And this is a link to their website.
So I was publicly suggesting that
we turn this into a debate with Ms. Eltahawy.
And she didn’t agree, but she did say this:
@aaronworthing @aasif will get back to you soon. Have travel do work next week then let me check
— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) September 29, 2012
And as I write this we have a commitment
from Own the Narrative, but we are still waiting to hear from Ms. Eltahawy’s
part, so stay tuned. I have stopped
pestering her on twitter to give her some space. Hopefully she will get back to me soon.
But that was after a lot of fun
today. I’ll talk more about that
momentarily, as updates to this post or as separate posts, but right now I want
to get the news out about the potential debate, so let me publish this.
So bottom line: we might have a
debate. Stay tuned. I am as curious to see how this turns out as
anyone.
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due to the harassment of convicted terrorist Brett Kimberlin, including an
attempt to get us killed and to frame me for a crime carrying a sentence of up
to ten years. I know that claim sounds
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claims using documentary and video evidence.
If you would like to help in the fight to hold Mr. Kimberlin
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Disclaimer:
I have accused some people,
particularly Brett Kimberlin, of
reprehensible conduct. In some cases, the conduct is even
criminal. In all cases, the only justice I want is through the
appropriate legal process—such as the criminal justice system. I do not want to see vigilante violence
against any person or any threat of such violence. This kind of conduct is not only morally
wrong, but it is counter-productive.
In the particular case of Brett
Kimberlin, I do not want you to even contact him. Do not call him. Do not write him a letter. Do not write him an email. Do not text-message him. Do not engage in any kind of directed
communication. I say this in part
because under Maryland law, that can quickly become harassment and I don’t want
that to happen to him.
And for that matter, don’t go on
his property. Don’t sneak around and try
to photograph him. Frankly try not to
even be within his field of vision. Your
behavior could quickly cross the line into harassment in that way too (not to
mention trespass and other concerns).
And do not contact his
organizations, either. And most of all, leave his family alone.
The only exception to all that is
that if you are reporting on this, there is of course nothing wrong with
contacting him for things like his official response to any stories you might report. And even then if he tells you to stop
contacting him, obey that request. That
this is a key element in making out a harassment claim under Maryland law—that
a person asks you to stop and you refuse.
And let me say something
else. In my heart of hearts, I don’t
believe that any person supporting me has done any of the above. But if any of you have, stop it, and if you
haven’t don’t start.
I wish I could say I expected something good to come out of this, but sadly I can't.
ReplyDeleteWithout trying to put words in Ms. Eltahawy's mouth,I think I've managed to understand where she's taking her argument. Bascially it's the idea that since no one was physically harmed (bodily if you will) then it's a form of non-violent protest.
I've actually seen this line of reasoning used before at conferences I've attended where people have suggested that theft is a form of "non-violent protest" because (circular logic here) they didn't use violence against anyone when stealing the stuff. (Context: It was a story of a doctor at an Ivy League School running clinics in third world countries. When the school refused to assist him with more supplies, he packed up his lab and shipped it to the clinic. Bascially stealing all of Harvard's other equipment.)
Or I've seen this coupled (when theft is the action moreso than vandalism) with the idea that the original acquisition of the item was a form of violence (a taking) and this is a just application of violence to restore the proper order. But more often it's the "non-violence" tact they take.
Of course there's something wrong with that, vandalism (and theft) are violence. And violent protest is almost never acceptable, in the US at least. (for a moment let's set aside the extreme cases of "self-defense against police action" and "armed revolution" because those simply don't apply here, are complicated and nuanced, and thankfully rare concerns our country and considering other countries is irrelevant at this point.)
I'd argue that this misunderstanding stem's from their poor understanding of property all together. To these people property destruction is a form of speech (well when it's someone else's property, I'm sure she'd hate if someone did this to her.) Whereas people with a (for lack of a better term) right leaning view of property tend to understand that you cannot merely assert your right to other's property because you feel it's important that you do so. (Put differently, they have a much wider view of "illegitamate propety ownership*" than others do.)
As such, I think you'll be dabating over each other rather than discussing at each other. (Alasdair MacIntyre's theories seen in practice, I suppose).
*Even people I've glibly defined as "right leaning" in their property view have some ideas on what "illegitamate propety ownership" is. Theft for example doesn't create legitamate ownership, not do poorly executed claims, etc. However some would suggest that illegitamate use (in their view) also constitutes illegitamate ownership (and thus opens the door for taking/destruction.) I disagree, wholeheartedly with this.
Wonderful to read.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking forward to Aaron's support of the First Amendment since our President, who takes a solemn oath to protect & defend the Constitution will not.
Don't know if you've seen her article in the Guardian:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/12/anti-muslim-hate-speech-mona-eltahawy/03923
Best quote: "I broke the law, yes. So what?"
*doublefacepalmheadesk*