So I had a lot
of fun last night. I even made Twitchy,
which is always cool. But the problem
with twitter is that it is like a river of thought and if you miss what someone
says, it floats away from you and it is hard to retrieve later. And I suspect a few people want this
preserved for posterity, if only to know that Sally Kohn is clueless. And read all the way to the end to see how bad
it is.
So yesterday
Kohn was debating with various people on the right, mainly lawyers, and she was
going very, very wrong on the law. I
replied a few times trying to correct her, was ignored, and then kind of
throwing up my hands in amusement, I wrote this:
Everyone read
@sallykohn's
tweets right now for a classic example of person talking authoritatively about
something they are clueless about
— Aaron Worthing
(@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Which might
seem mean at first glance, but give me a moment. I make my case.
So she deems
to respond to that, and then she deleted that response, which led to this…
why did you
delete your invitation to me to correct you? @sallykohn pic.twitter.com/kK2E8HtNVS
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
And to be fair
to her, much later she gave me an answer to that question:
@AaronWorthing
first of all, i deleted my original tweet when i realized i didn’t want to get
into all this before dinner with my family.
— Sally Kohn
(@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
Which is fine
with me...
by all means,
go eat dinner, enjoy the family, and respond when you feel like it. @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
But that is
getting ahead of ourselves. At the time,
I didn’t know why she deleted it, but... you ever have someone ask you the
wrong question? I had a moment like that
about a month ago. Brett Kimberlin had
sued me, in part, because I said I thought he was a pedophile. At one point in the trial, he had me on the
stand and asked me why I thought he was a pedophile. I then gave a recitation of about five
minutes explaining in detail why I believed this to be the case, and by the
time I was done, I am pretty sure the jury thought he was one, too. (You can read the transcript from that trial,
here.) I decided to have a similar level of fun with
Ms. Kohn.
Or as one
tweeter put it succinctly:
@AaronWorthing
@sallykohn That
moment when you call someone's bluff and then realize that
they're smiling.
— Miscellaneous Ray (@miscRaymer)
October
28, 2014
Strap yourself in. This is going to be fun.
So I began:
despite
you're having deleted that invitation, let me take you up on it anyway…
@sallykohn
pic.twitter.com/p3MTFSJKbV
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Now most of
the time I linked to her tweets and then pointed out her errors. So in most cases I will show you the tweet I
am responding to, and then my critique.
Thus, first, I linked to this tweet:
@KurtSchlichter
you do understand “protected classes” and how the Constitution works,
right?
— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
And then I
responded, thusly:
for instance
here you indicate that you think there are protected classes under the Const.
You are wrong https://t.co/wVP9DwnglT
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
(So, the link
in that tweet is back to the tweet I was critiquing...)
for instance,
the 14th A prohibits discrimination based on race, whether the victim is white
or black. No protected class @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Next I linked
to this tweet:
@TheRightWingM
@MelissaTweets
@Tracinski if
we want to turn this into con law seminar great, but 2B clear religion is
protected class so no
— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
And my
critique:
similarly, a
religion is not a protected class. Atheists are protected by the First
Amendment, too. https://t.co/P2h8JwD7ES
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Next, her
tweet:
@TheRightWingM
@MelissaTweets
@Tracinski
fair try, but political views are not protected under Const interpretation
(1/2)
— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
next, here you
seem to suggest that the Constitution allows for viewpoint discrimination. This
is wrong https://t.co/pfN6ZokRBi
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
I should say
“viewpoint discrimination by the government.”
For instance it
is unconstitutional to hand out welfare benefits to members of only one
political party. And rightly so @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
This time I
used a picture of a pair of tweets to show what I was responding to:
then in these
two tweets you suggest that the constitution ordinarily applies to private
conduct. Wrong. @sallykohn
pic.twitter.com/x0i2nzvBNY
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Mind you, there
are some provisions of the Const that private parties can violate, esp. the
13th A @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
For instance,
I wrote a piece about how Ariel Castro might have violated the Thirteenth
Amendment, here,
although much of my analysis was mooted by Castro’s subsequent suicide and
burning in hell. I don’t think any other part of the constitution
can be violated by private conduct, but I could be wrong.
and, there are
ways that seemingly private conduct can become state action and thus subject to
the Constitution. @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
what likewise,
a newspaper discriminating based on race also doesn't violate the
Constitution @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
or, for that
matter, if the Daily Beast searched your desk without probable cause, the
Fourth Amendment hasn't been violated @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Similarly my
next critique used photos of tweets:
In this
statement and response you seem to think the constitution mandates the civil
rights act of 1964 @sallykohn pic.twitter.com/BxIQ2F46oc
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
This is wrong,
again. @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
This might stem
from your false belief that the Constitution regulates most private conduct.
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
such laws are
nice, but not required under the Constitution, which is why most of them
weren't passed until late 20th century @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Next I
critiqued this tweet:
Conservatives
love when the Constitution used to protect semi-automatic weapons and churches,
but complain when it protects gay people.
— Sally Kohn
(@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
My critique:
Now, here, the
mistake is that you failed understand the conservative position. https://t.co/ukKtLISsve
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
if I ask you
what part of the Constitution protects freedom of speech, you can answer that
question: the 1st Amendment. @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
It would have
had better logical symmetry if I pointed out that you can name something
specifically that protects freedom of religion, but oh well.
likewise, if I
asked you what part of the Constitution protects the right to bear arms, you
could answer that: the 2nd Amendment @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
but what part
of the Constitution guarantees the right to gay sex? Nothing @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
i'm not
saying I'd like to see gay people arrested for gay sex, I'm
just saying it wouldn't be unconstitutional. @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
The
Constitution doesn't guarantee that people win every political debate.
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
The
Constitution takes some issues away from the ordinary political process, such
as the right to bear arms, but not all issues @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
and even if you
buying into this "living constitution" bullcrap, The fact is
most conservatives don't buy into it @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
so your
argument amounts to, "why do conservatives love the stuff
that's in the Constitution, and not the stuff we made up?"
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
you may not
agree with the conservative view, but there's nothing inconsistent
about it @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
and the idea
that judges can just simply add to the constitution whenever they feel like it
threatens every right we hold dear @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
You think the
First Amendment is safe? Just wait to a judge invents a right "not to
be offended" @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
You think
gender equality is safe? Just wait until a judge invents a right "to
be raised by their mom at home" @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
following the
Constitution as written guarantees that slavery can never reappear. Why are you
opposed to that? @sallykohn
(fixed)
— Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
I went on to
quibble with whether she understood what “semi-automatic” means, but she
claimed she did. Which makes the
reference to semi-automatic weapons, weird, but oh well. Moving on:
So, looking
over the last few hours of tweets, those appear to be the major mistakes
you've made. Any questions? @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
BTW, I may be a
lawyer, but what I said is considered common knowledge @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Besides
responding to my explanation of what semi-automatic means, claiming she did
know after all, she responded to my claim that there is no right to gay sex:
@AaronWorthing
second, you do know the Supreme Court disagrees with you. Or is that irrelevant
in your mind/arguments.
— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
My reply:
The Supreme
Court once said black people had no rights white ppl were bound to respect.
They are not God @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Lest you think I am exaggerating, read for yourself. If you think that the Dred Scott case was just about the Missouri Compromise, you are in for a nasty surprise. To quote its vile opinion:
They
had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior
order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social
or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the
white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be
reduced to slavery for his benefit
If you need a
shower now, I won’t blame you. I will
note that it has been repudiated by the Fourteenth Amendment as thoroughly as
any decision has been, as discussed in my post, here.
Kohn is also kind
of missing the point. Conservative
reject, as a rule, the theory of living constitutionalism referred to above.
She also laid
down a pair of challenges. First she
asked this:
.@AaronWorthing
1. someone to explain to me why think, morally & legally, biz should b
allowed 2 disc re on sex. orient but NOT race/gender
— Sally
Kohn (@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
I replied:
Congress *can*
pass such a law prohibiting disc'n based on sexual orientation. But the
Constitution doesn't demand it. @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Then her
second challenge:
.@AaronWorthing
2. someone to try and make Const case for this line of argument, beyond
incendiary hyperbole - https://t.co/gcZ6jPufmE
—
Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
That linked to
this tweet (which she had responded to, before):
.@sallykohn should
gay printshop owner be forced to make these signs for Westboro Baptists? @MelissaTweets
@Tracinski
pic.twitter.com/WeOfmmfpfK
—
The Right Wing M (@TheRightWingM) October
28, 2014
I replied:
Presuming you
mean you want me to show his hypothesis is possible if certain precedents are
set let me show you @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
but
it'll take more than 140 characters. Give me a moment @sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
here's
your extended answer @sallykohn pic.twitter.com/uSgwpUUPGo
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Just so you
don’t strain your eyes, let me rewrite it here in normal text. I said (with slightly improved grammar):
There
are many kinds of business that are engaged in expression: newspapers, radio
stations, movie studios, printshops and even wedding photographers.
I
believe the correct reading of the First Amendment says that if any
anti-discrimination law has the effect of treading on these kinds of companies’
First Amendment rights, that such laws are unconstitutional as applied.
But
suppose the courts don’t agree with me?
Then tomorrow states could pass laws forbidding discrimination based on
viewpoint. And thus a gay printshop
business owner could be forced to help the Westborough Baptist Church make anti-gay
signs.
Indeed, right
now in New York, there is a statute prohibiting employers from discriminating
against people for participating in political campaigns and engaging in any
other lawful activity, off-hours and off-premises. You can read it, here. Is it very much of a stretch to say that a
state might make it illegal, say, for McDonalds to refuse service to someone
because they are a Democrat, or a Republican?
Anyway, two
minutes later, she posted this to the world at large:
I’m done
arguing. I’m horribly sad some people are so desperate to justify anti-gay
discrimination, American law & values be damned.
—
Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) October
28, 2014
And my
response:
My response to
your straw-man killing #RageQuit:
http://t.co/ZolPtzznDR
@sallykohn
pic.twitter.com/8LtADSh9r0
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
“Rage quit” is
a term from gaming. It comes from when
someone does so badly playing that they quit the game, typically in anger.
And moments
later she retweeted this bit of passive aggressiveness.
I love when
right-wing dudes who got their J.D.s from the University of Twitter lecture
@sallykohn on
her understanding of the Constitution.
— Jill Filipovic
(@JillFilipovic) October
28, 2014
One can’t be
sure that Ms. Filipovic was referring to me.
There were a lot of people disagreeing with Kohn. Some were lawyers, some were not. But as I said a moment ago, most of what I
said was not obscure legal doctrine: they were what I considered common
knowledge. Although to mangle Chuck D’s
words, common knowledge ain’t all that common.
For instance:
But one nice
thing about my credentials is that whenever a person tries to intellectually
“pull rank” on me, or others, I can often “one up” them:
Well, I got my
J.D. from Yale Law school, and am fully licensed, and what she said was pretty
clueless @JillFilipovic
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
29, 2014
But as I noted
subsequently:
Fair point.
Credentials are less important than knowledge @szysgt @RobProvince
@StarJonesEsq
@JillFilipovic
@sallykohn
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
29, 2014
Indeed, as I
am writing this, I see she says it wasn’t directed at me.
@AmazingTomGrace
@sallykohn
@AaronWorthing
I hadn't heard of Aaron before today, and was not talking about him,
let alone "attacking."
— Jill Filipovic
(@JillFilipovic) October
29, 2014
As I replied:
Okay,
I'll accept that you weren't talking about me. But
Kohn's tweets were clueless, weren't they? @JillFilipovic
@AmazingTomGrace
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
29, 2014
Ms. Filipovic
is a lawyer, after all. While we might
debate how common “common knowledge” actually is, surely she recognizes how clueless Kohn is, right? I mean it isn’t necessary to get a law degree
to know how clueless Kohn’s claims were, but if you have a law degree, how can
you not know this? How could a person be a lawyer and not know
this, or even get a law degree and not get this?
I mean
obviously Ms. Kohn can’t have had any legal education because her knowledge of
the law falls below what I consider to be common knowledge of the general
public who don’t have law degrees. So
she can’t possibly have a law degree, right?
Right?
Um, with
apologies for the language, I found out that this wasn’t completely true (update: bad link in tweet, but this is the correct one):
Wait?! @sallykohn has a
law degree? Holy fuck! http://t.co/wyuvkTIXDL
@Thomasismyuncle
@maryarbogast
pic.twitter.com/AC9C5YOXvO
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Please, @sallykohn, tell me
you're not a lawyer! Because you are unqualified for my profession.
@Thomasismyuncle
@maryarbogast
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
Good Lord,
@sallykohn, I
assumed you had nothing to do with the law. @Thomasismyuncle
@maryarbogast
—
Aaron Worthing (@AaronWorthing) October
28, 2014
I had a
private conversation during all of this, and originally I said to that person that
I thought Kohn’s problem was she lacked the humility to know what she didn’t
know. But with this additional
information, God Lord, I don’t know how she can write this stuff.
Seriously, I
have no explanation for the display she put on.
Is she actually this clueless?
NYU is a good law school, and frankly I can’t think of a single law
school that would let students graduate without this basic understanding of the
law. Hell, her bio states that she was a
“Root
Tilden public service scholar,” which is given to “outstanding” law
students. And yet, she doesn’t know
this? Maybe she once did and doesn’t
now? Or maybe she is lying, playing “stupid
like a fox”? But the lie is so dumb and
so obvious I don’t think even most liberals would buy it and for what purpose
would she lie?
Seriously, I am
at a loss.
Anyway, read
for yourself and decide for yourself, as always.
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Disclaimer:
I have accused
some people, particularly Brett Kimberlin, of reprehensible conduct. In some cases, the conduct is even
criminal. In all cases, the only justice
I want is through the appropriate legal process—such as the criminal justice
system. I do not want to see vigilante
violence against any person or any threat of such violence. This kind of conduct is not only morally
wrong, but it is counter-productive.
In the
particular case of Brett Kimberlin, I do not want you to even contact him. Do not call him. Do not write him a letter. Do not write him an email. Do not text-message him. Do not engage in any kind of directed
communication. I say this in part
because under Maryland law, that can quickly become harassment and I don’t want
that to happen to him.
And for that
matter, don’t go on his property. Don’t
sneak around and try to photograph him.
Frankly try not to even be within his field of vision. Your behavior could quickly cross the line
into harassment in that way too (not to mention trespass and other concerns).
And do not
contact his organizations, either. And
most of all, leave his family alone.
The only
exception to all that is that if you are reporting on this, there is of course
nothing wrong with contacting him for things like his official response to any
stories you might report. And even then
if he tells you to stop contacting him, obey that request. That this is a key element in making out a
harassment claim under Maryland law—that a person asks you to stop and you
refuse.
And let me say
something else. In my heart of hearts, I
don’t believe that any person supporting me has done any of the above. But if any of you have, stop it, and if you
haven’t don’t start.